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We are sitting around a café table in a wharf on Cape Town's waterfront, a couple of hundred metres from the Mining Indaba, where countless engineers, bankers and various geeks are crowding into the city's conference centre, breaking cover after two years of pandemic restriction.
Jeannine Mabunda Lioko, a previous speaker of parliament in the DRC, has actually just been describing to a crowd of financiers why the West's ban on fossil-fuel projects in Africa was hypocritical and misplaced. She melds diplomatic politesse with a steely assertion of her mineral-rich country's national interest.